2018 Top 10 Award Winner: Jason McDougall! This is episode #400, and today’s guest is my friend Jason McDougall. Many new real estate investors that are successful end up working long hours, and doing everything themselves. It’s not easy to build a business from scratch, and also have the resources to afford to have others to outsource some of your tasks to.
Aside from that, many investors feel that they can do certain tasks better than anyone they’d outsource them to. Here’s a fact…that may be true. However, if you’re doing everything in your business…the business owns you, not the other way around.
Jason is an up and coming investor, and is well on his way to financial freedom through real estate investing. But, he’s having some growing pains to go from a one man band to a business owner. Today he shares his lessons learned, and we discuss his go-forward plans.
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Hey, this is episode number 400. And today’s guest is my friend, Jason McDougall. Many new real estate investors that are successful end up working long hours and doing almost everything themselves. Now, it’s not easy to build a business from scratch and also have the resources to be able to afford to have others do some of the work for you and do some of the tasks. Aside from that, a lot of us work really hard on our business. And we end up feeling that we can do certain tasks better than anyone else that we might outsource to do. So, here’s a fact. That’s probably true. However, if you’re doing everything in your business, the business owns you, not the other way around.
Jason is an up and coming investor and actually doing quite well. He’s well on his way to financial freedom through real estate investing, but he’s having some growing pains to go from a one-man band to a business owner that has more of his time back. Today, he’s going to share his lessons learned. And we discuss his go-forward plans. He’s going to share some things that he would do differently, if he had to do it over again and that he is going to do differently going forward. You’re going to learn a lot from our discussions today, so please don’t miss this episode. Please help me welcome Jason McDougall to the show.
Hey, Jason, welcome to the show.
Jason: Hey. Thank you, sir. I appreciate you having me on.
Mike: Yeah. I’m glad to have you on. So, I’ll have you introduce yourself in just a second here. But for those of you that are listening, this is my buddy, Jason McDougall. We’re going to be talking about really kind of his experience of starting as a real estate investor and running into a situation that a lot of people do is, you kind of get in this to work less and have more freedom.
But in the effort of trying to grow something bigger, sometimes we end up working a lot harder than we want to or maybe harder than we used to. And sometimes that’s just a hump, right? You’ve got to get over it and you’ve got to put in your 10,000 hours or whatever it is, but eventually, that’s not your long-term goal is to work as hard as you do. It’s to kind of learn the craft and then be able to train people.
So that’s where Jason’s at. And Jason’s a great guy. We’ve known each other for a while now. We’ve become pretty good friends. In fact, we’re JV’ing on a deal together right now. So I’m excited, for those of you that are listening, to meet Jason and be able to learn from his experience and some of the stuff that he’s going through right now. So Jason, why don’t you tell everybody a little bit about your background and how you got into real estate investing?
Jason: You bet. So I started dabbling in 2009. I was putting up bandit signs. And I got in trouble for doing that. So I stopped. I was like, “Man, real estate is not for me.” And then I got really frustrated with my job in 2015. And I was like, “You know, I’m going to pick up this real estate thing and give this another shot.” So I kind of went all in and took some massive action and then made things happen. And then on a leap of faith, I quit my job after I did three wholesale deals and just kind of went from there.
Mike: On those three deals, did you . . . you don’t have to give specific numbers, but they were big enough for you to know that, “Hey, I could make a lot more money doing this?”
Jason: Yeah. I think I made . . . well, I don’t know. I think I made a total of like $10,000. And I was like, “You know, if I quit my job, I really think I can do this full-time and make a living out of this.” My wife was three months pregnant at the time. And she was like, “If you think you can, go for it.”
Mike: Yeah. I train a lot of real estate investors and stuff. And sometimes we talk about burning the boats, but yeah, you burned the boats. And your wife was pregnant and everything. So that yeah, failure was not an option.
Mike: You weren’t able to choose, right?
Jason: No, sir.
Mike: Yeah. Well, let’s talk a little bit about, you know, you’ve kind of gotten yourself into this situation now where you’ve been doing everything yourself, right?
Mike: So, you know, at the end of the day, when you jump in like you did, you’re like, “Hey, I’ll do whatever it takes.” And sometimes that means doing all the work like sacrificing your time and time away from family, like all those things that you didn’t really get in the business for, but in the journey to be successful, no matter what, sometimes we end up there, right?
Jason: Yeah, absolutely.
Mike: Yeah. So talk about that a little bit. Like what’s going on? Just to give people some perspective, if they’re new or newer looking to get started, like talk about where a lot of your time goes these days.
Jason: When I started this, I had no idea really what I was doing at all. And I had a lot of time starting out. I didn’t know what to really do with my time. As I got busier, I was like, “Man, I can outsource some of this stuff, I guess,” but I really didn’t know how to do that. And I didn’t know what I needed to outsource. So I was just kind of focused on saving money because I didn’t have a lot of that rolling in. I really wish that I would have started implementing more of that stuff in the beginning as I started, but I didn’t really know how to implement or what to implement or what to do at all.
Mike: Yeah. Yeah, hindsight’s 20/20, right? You look back now and you’re like, “Why did I ever do that,” or, “Why did I waste so much time doing that when that didn’t even matter?” It’s always easy . . . you know, I guess sometimes that’s why it’s good to have a mentor or people that you’re surrounded with that can kind of teach you some of those lessons.
I guess can you give . . . I know you just shared a Facebook post about this. So I think it’s an interesting topic. So how many hours a week are you working right now? And I know you’re on the cusp of taking it to a whole other level. And, of course, I want to help you too, but just talk about what kind of hours you’re putting in just so people get some perspective.
Jason: I’m probably working 90 to 100 hours a week right now in the business [inaudible 00:05:43] all in the business.
Mike: I didn’t think there were that many hours in a week. How many are [inaudible 00:05:47]?
Jason: It’s too much.
Mike: Let me get my calculator out here.
Jason: From 5:00 in the morning until like 9:00 at night. I’m doing something related to the business and real estate.
Mike: Yeah. And just to clarify too, you’ve had your license. So you’ve been doing some listing stuff a little bit. I know you’re kind of, for the most part, focusing more on the investing side, but you’re taking your calls, going on appointments, doing all your marketing, right?
Jason: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I’m a sales guy. I’m not a business owner type guy. This is all new to me, being an entrepreneur and learning how to run a business. So I can go get, you know, deals and talk to sellers and talk on the phone, but running a business is a whole different ball game that I have not been prepared for, you know. So it’s a learning.
Mike: The good thing is the sales part of the business is really where the money’s made. I mean, you’ve got to keep the wheels on the bus too, right, but yeah, ultimately, you’ve got to find somebody else that can help with those pieces. So if you could go back like to the beginning, I guess, what would you do differently now?
Jason: I would have set up systems for sure. I use Podio now, which has been a tremendous help to me, but back then, I had a paper and pen, little lead sheets. And every call that came in, I’d fill out this paper and pen. And I would do zero follow-up because it wasn’t organized enough to do that. And stuff just kind of went crazy. And I really wish I would have implemented more follow-up systems and more ways to track information better and what I was spending on marketing and what marketing I was doing.
Mike: Yeah. So as you kind of sit now or things you’ve been learning recently with some things that you have a hard time letting go of, and I know that a problem a lot of us have is. . . this has kind of become a cheesy cliché of mine, but I say like, if I were to buy a McDonald’s franchise, like I truly believe that nobody would be able to fry the fries as good as me because I’m just a perfectionist. I would figure it out, but that’s obviously not where, as a business owner, I should be spending my time.
And I think a lot of us fall into that trap because, look, we’re trying to provide for our family. We’re trying to . . . You know, we’ve got a lot of responsibility on our shoulders. So what are some of the things that you’re doing now that you’ve historically had a hard time letting go of?
Jason: You know, the things that I don’t want to let go of that I think that I’m really good at . . . and this is probably the wrong thinking because I always think that I can do everything better than anybody else that I can hire, which is maybe true or not. I don’t know but answering the phone calls has been a big one for me, which I know I need to let go of that because it’s a huge time suck, and then going on appointments because I just feel like I’ve had the experience of going and looking at hundreds of houses and talking to hundreds of sellers where it’s really hard to train that in a short period of time. And I might lose deals, if they’re not trained properly.
Mike: Yeah. And what I’ve kind of found is I know that sometimes you do some creative things like sellers financing deals to you and some other things like that. Those are particularly hard to outsource. Like if you say, “Here’s my formula. Here’s how I look to buy. Here’s how I evaluate repairs,” you can teach people on that, but when they say, “No, I can’t do that,” it’s hard to teach somebody else with your access to your checkbook or money that you’re responsible for to find a creative solution for how something else might work.
Jason: Right. That makes sense.
Mike: Yeah. Yeah. And so basically phone calls, going on appointments. Honestly, in going on appointments, if you’re good at it . . . I know you’re good at it. So that’s one of the last things that you should probably give up. You know, you’ve got to find . . . All the follow-up and all the other tasks that take up a lot of time are probably where you should start.
Jason: That’s what I’m going to do. I really enjoy going on the appointments too and meeting with the sellers and stuff. So I really don’t want to outsource that. And I really think I’m good at it, but all the other administrative stuff that I’m just stuck behind a computer, that’s not where my best time is spent. I need to be out talking to people is really where I’m more valuable.
Mike: Yeah. So what kind of advice can you give to people because I hear you talking right now and identifying what you’re good at, you know, what you’re doing that you shouldn’t be doing and what you’re doing that maybe you should be doing, and then what you enjoy. So talk about kind of that balance between what you’re good at and what you should be doing with your time and in the context of a way that others can learn from it, as well.
Jason: Yeah. I really think that there’s two types of people. There’s an analytical type person that’s good at, you know, sitting behind a desk and number crunching or web development, whatever that is. And then there’s the people that are like extroverts that like being out and running around and maybe have ADD like I do and meeting with sellers. So I think you identify with one of those types. Whichever one you are not, you outsource the other one or hire some help or bring in some help somehow to complement your weaknesses. And that’s something I have not done, which I probably should have early on to create better success.
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Jason: And then there’s the people that are like extroverts that like being out and running around and maybe have ADD like I do and meeting with sellers. So I think you identify with one of those types. Whichever one you are not, you outsource the other one or hire some help or bring in some help somehow to complement your weaknesses. And that’s something I have not done, which I probably should have early on to create better success.
Mike: Yeah. Yeah. And you were working . . . I know your wife has not been involved in the business now, but she was more involved early on or . . .
Jason: She was. She would help me, you know, compile the mailing list and do a lot of the marketing stuff and all that, but, you know, our little 19-month-old boy is taking up quite a bit of her time recently. We can’t just put him in a swing any more. He requires attention. So that’s taking away from that.
Mike: Because I worked with my wife and there’s lot of ups and downs, any kind of guidance you can give people on working with a spouse?
Jason: We’ve made a great team, but I think it’s another sense of knowing who needs to be working on what because she’s always looking to me like, “What do you need help with?” And I’m like, “Well, I’ve got it. I’ve got it. I can handle it myself,” because I just feel like it’s easier for me to do it than to explain how to do it, which is totally wrong. I know that now. So that’s one of the issues.
Mike: So what are some of the things that you . . . I know you’ve got some action plans in place to start leveraging your time and finding others to help with other tasks or maybe just stopping some tasks that just don’t make sense. So talk a little bit about a transition plan of how you’re going to get to the next level.
Jason: I use Asana, which you recommended to me, which is like that task management software. So I look through it daily. I’m like, “Why am I doing this little task right here? This a waste of my time. I can either eliminate this or outsource this because it’s a little, you know, dollar value task,” or maybe it is something I need to be doing and systemize.
But like running comps, I don’t need to be doing that. There’s systems in place where I could hire somebody to do that. Making outbound phone calls, that’s not my best use of time. I could hire somebody to do that much more effectively and consistently to what I can do. So there’s tasks like that, that I need to outsource that could help grow my business at the same time that I’m not going to be great at, you know.
Mike: Right. Right. Yeah, those are hard things to let go of too because I assume since you like talking to sellers, you like negotiating, you like doing those things, that you believe the relationship starts as soon as they pick up the phone and call you, right?
Mike: Yeah. It’s hard though. You know, it’s hard to . . . because honestly, you know, as you know, some of those calls are like, “Take me off your list. Why the hell did you send me this thing? I want to order a large pepperoni pizza” or like whatever. I mean, there’s a lot of crap calls too, right? They’re not all like that seller that you’re really going to click, but you’ve got to kind of weed through some of that junk to get there, right?
Jason: And then there’s the sellers that talk to you for 30 minutes about nothing. You’re like, “This is never going to be anything good,” but they just waste your time because they’re lonely or whatever. And that’s a huge waste of time too.
Mike: Yeah. At a minimum, I mean, the way that I had it for a long, long time is we have, you know, an office coordinator, an office manager, that takes the calls and sets things up, but I know of some other folks that have a pretty good system in place where they’re just a general screener. Like as soon as they know, “This is a real lead. Well, let me transfer you to Jason. He’s our acquisition specialist,” or whatever. So they’re kind of weeding out more of the junk, but there’s a lot of different ways you can do it, but one way or another, you’ve got to find a way to get some of your time back, right?
Jason: For sure. I’m on the journey for that.
Mike: Yeah. Yeah. So there’s always this discussion about high value. It’s kind of implied in what we were talking about, high value activities. Like your time is best spent negotiating deals and signing contracts, right, or selling houses, ultimately. Can you kind of walk people through what are some of the, I guess, low pay grade tasks and some of the high value tasks? And just inherently, not just in your business, but for all investors as to how they should think about it? They kind of have a piece of paper with two columns. Let’s kind of go through what some of those would be.
Jason: I think anything that you can pay somebody $5 or $6 an hour on one of these Upwork or something like that systems to outsource, it’s totally worth it. Like QuickBooks, I outsource that because I’m terrible at it. And I never got it done because I hated it. So I outsourced that. Just these small little tasks like running comps was another one or updating my Podio is one that I do all the time. And I’m always making follow-up calls and setting up follow-up texts.
We use Slybroadcast, so setting up different campaigns and different mailing stuff, that’s all stuff that’s easily trainable that can be outsourced to somebody. And that way it gets done consistently, as well. And your time is freed up to do something of higher value like going on appointments or taking phone calls, if that’s one of the things, so just identifying those things.
Mike: And talk about the process for . . . Because you’ve got experience now, so you’ve identified some of them here, but for people that are new that inherently are going to be doing a lot more early on than they maybe will down the road, how should they be thinking about it? I’ve heard people say that they get to the end of the day. And they kind of look back and say, “Where did I spend my time today,” or what do you think?
Jason: Yeah, I think it just matters on how you keep track of what you’re doing. So like I said, I use Asana. So I can go back through the day. And everything goes in there. No matter if it’s personal or business, everything goes in there. So I can go back through the day and see what I completed. I’m like, “Really? Why did I do that when I didn’t get this big thing done that I was supposed to be doing that was a better use of my time? Just because, well, maybe some of the small stuff was easier?”
And I’m like, “I could have checked the box when I get, you know, done. And that feels good, but that was not the best use of my time.” So using some sort of tool where you can track and see what your time was spent is probably important. And then going back and reflecting on how you could have maybe improved that and done it better by outsourcing it or getting rid of the task completely.
Mike: Yeah. And you’ve got to be honest with yourself too, right? Sometimes we’re like, you know, I think as . . . This isn’t just a real estate investing thing. This is probably like a human thing or certainly a small business owner thing or even probably even a large business. We tend to like start to equate, “I am active,” with, “I am productive.” Like I’m busy doing stuff, but if you look at it, it’s like, well, you were doing stuff that, ultimately, wasn’t going to bring you any additional revenue, right, but sometimes we get busy. “Well, I had to go to lunch with this guy. And then he wanted to get a beer.” And, you know, it’s like the next thing you know, you lost an afternoon.
Jason: Yeah, the lunches will do it. Yeah. I mean, I have a hard time saying no to people, but recently I’ve had to say no to lunches and stuff like that, but I think just focusing on the stuff that’s going to grow your business and grow your income is really what you need to be doing, not working on your logo design or, you know, on your website. That’s all stuff that should be outsourced. That’s not a best use of your time.
Mike: Yeah. Let’s talk about Asana a little bit because for those of them that are listening right now, we both use a tool called Asana. It’s like a task management tool. For the most part, you can get pretty much most of what you need with the free account, but, you know, one is a task list of things that you have to do. What I’ve tended to use it for more than anything is managing my team because there’s projects that we do, like if we’re going to assign a property or we’re going to rehab a property or we need to have just . . . we have these templates, right? So a template could be . . . A project could be a house.
Like we’ve got a house under contract. And we’re going to assign it. And these are the things we do. We put a lockbox on the door. I sign the contract. I send it to the title company.
There’s a whole list of things we do, but then we have all these projects that are just like my general office one, like pay the rent, make sure the . . . We have a cleaning service that comes in here because we stopped doing that ourselves a few years ago, but we have a cleaning service. In fact, they just left here, that comes in, make sure they come in. And so my office manager has all these things that she has to do. And a lot of them are recurring tasks like every month do this, every week do this on Wednesday or whatever it is.
But I want to talk about it in the context of a tool to start to take yourself out of the picture because it’s a tool like that, that helps you effectively create a cookbook, right? This is how you do things in my business to where if somebody comes in, you can teach them. Go into Asana, and there is a checklist of exactly what to do. You might even have a video inside of there like how to do it, right? And it’s a recurring task that they can do over and over again.
Jason: Right, every seven days or whatever it is. Yeah, that’s been helpful to me to use that. I haven’t implemented, of course, like you do with the team or anything like that, but one day I will, but it’s a powerful tool to track your projects and track your progress on projects and stuff like that for sure.
Mike: Yeah. And I was just talking to somebody else earlier this afternoon about effectively how to do things in your business, just getting really good at it like screen capture stuff. Like I find myself doing this right now. Right now, I’m going to do it, but I’m also just going to record it and show somebody how I do it. So the next time I can just show somebody to watch this video and then they can do it.
Jason: Right, yeah. I mean, finding the time to do that for me is kind of difficult. So I have to force myself to, you know, just put some [inaudible 00:20:28] and do that because I know it’s important because it does take time to do that.
Mike: Yeah. That’s the problem that a lot of us have though is you’re like, “I can do it in five minutes or I can spend an hour teaching somebody how to do it,” but it doesn’t really like add up. You’re like, “Let me just get it done,” but, of course, you’re never going to get out of that situation until you take the time to do it.
Jason: And I think that’s where I’ve been or I’m like, “It’s just so much easier for me to just do it instead of training somebody else and hiring somebody and when they mess up, just correcting them and teaching them again,” but I know that’s never going to help me grow out the position that I’m in right now. And I’ll never [inaudible 00:20:58].
Mike: Yeah. Yeah. How about exit strategies? We haven’t talked much about that yet. You know, obviously, rehabbing takes up a lot of time. I know you’re primarily wholesaling and keeping some stuff as rentals now, but any kind of lessons learned there along the way of how to specialize or why you don’t want to rehab maybe because it takes up too much time? I mean, what are your lessons learned there?
Jason: I think rehabbing can be great, if you have the right contractor that you can work with that you trust that can get things done and kind of keep you in the loop, but you don’t have to go there all the time to look at it. I love wholesaling just because the time involved is a whole lot less than the rehab. Even though the money’s less, I’ll take that over the time spent with the rehab. But I’m mostly focusing on building streams of passive income through rentals or through owner financed because that’s freedom, as well. And that’s really, ultimately, what I’m after is getting my time back.
Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you can talk about that a little bit. So it’s easy to wholesale, but then the money’s over, right? And so I think you start to realize like, “What else can I do that will help pay me for a lifetime or for a long time?” What are some of your early lessons there?
Jason: Wholesaling’s a job. So I’ve been doing that and, again, working 90 to 100 hours a week for the past couple months is wearing on me. So recently, I have been on this journey to create passive income because I know that if I do that, it will free up my time to do some more bigger and better things, other than just chasing the next deal. And maybe a month goes by where it’s not a great month. And that’s kind of stressful. So creating passive income from the owner finance is really my main focus in 2018.
Mike: Okay. Okay. So talk a little bit about from the lessons you’ve learned. Maybe pretend like you’re not talking to me. You’re talking to somebody else that’s listening right now that is getting started or they’re trying to get started, but they can’t get out of their own way, just some of the lessons you’ve learned that you would give to people, share with people? I know we’ve talked a lot about it already today, but specific lessons that you’ve learned that they should consider as they’re trying to grow.
Jason: I’ll talk about it in the context of a house because building a business is kind of like building a house. You’ve got to start with the foundation and then kind of go up from there. And I think that when you’re starting out, don’t be afraid to create those tasks and systemize everything that you can starting out versus where I’m at today where I don’t really know where I should start or what I should be systemizing.
I wish I would have just started that from the get-go like, “Here’s a task that comes up every week. I should outsource this,” and then just move onto doing something else. So I think creating processes and systems and using the technology that’s out there early on would have changed the game for me big time.
Mike: Yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome. Great news or great information. So Jason, are there any kind of insightful books or influential, you know, people or people that you’ve kind of been around or kind of follow that you think will help you take your business to the next level and maybe even that you think might help some other people that are listening right now?
Jason: Yeah. Well, I mean, honestly, you’ve been a great help to me. And having our friendship and bouncing ideas off of you has been really helpful to me. So I’m grateful for that. I’ve also read the book “Traction,” which has been really good for me to open [inaudible 00:24:03] because, again, that’s more of the analytical side and the behind-the-scenes business side that I’m not good at. I’m good at sales. So seeing that perspective and learning from that has been really helpful to me to implement stuff that will help me recognize my KPIs and things that will push my business forward.
Mike: Yeah, that’s awesome. I told you before we started recording we’re about to go through an EOS implementation next week.
Jason: That’s awesome.
Mike: I know that sounds like I’m about to have a medical procedure done, but it’s a powerful thing. We’ve talked about that a fair number of times on the show here. I’ll add a link down below for the book, “Traction,” but it’s a snoozer. If you’re a business owner and you’re into like taking your business to another level, it could get exciting when you read some of it, but it’s more like a textbook than . . . If you’re not used to reading . . . If you like fiction, you know, this will be tough for you to stay awake through, but it’s a powerful book.
Jason: I did the audio version. And it was difficult because I was driving and doing the audio book. And I would just find myself like daydreaming about other stuff because I was like not focused at all on that. It’s very into the details. So I recommend getting the physical book and reading it and not listening to it.
Mike: Yeah, for sure. For sure. And some of the people on my team, when you go through an EOS implementation, your team, one of the first things they said is, “Get a book for your whole team and make everybody read it.” Well, they were like, “I started reading it last night. And I fell asleep. So I kind of got the audio version.” And I was like, “It’s such a kind of a textbook type thing that you really need to read it,” like you said. I mean, there’s charts and graphs. There’s information in there that kind of visually shows you how to do things. I think it’s pretty hard to just hear that and kind of get it as much.
Jason: Yeah, it makes sense.
Mike: So yeah, awesome. Well, Jason, if folks want to learn more about you, I know you’re a mover and a shaker on social media now. You’ve got all sorts of stuff going on. Where should they go to learn more about you?
Jason: I started a Facebook group called Passive Income through Real Estate. So there’s a lot of good stuff going on there with my journey through passive income that I’m on right now. Then you can just follow me on Facebook. Add me as a friend on there or our website, if you want to sign up for our wholesale emails is wholesalehousesbfw.com.
Mike: Awesome. I’m trying to write this down here before we . . . I can’t write as fast as you talk.
Mike: Awesome. Jason, hey, thanks for spending time with us today. It’s good to see you.
Jason: Yeah, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it, Mike.
Mike: All right, everybody. Hey, this is episode number 400 with Jason McDougall. A lot of great little nuggets in here, stuff about how to take your business to the next level. If you’re looking to get started or if you have started, but you’re kind of getting in your own way, hopefully, there’s some lessons that you learned here to help you go to the next level. So everybody, again, an exciting episode, number 400.
Jason: [Inaudible 00:26:37].
Mike: That’s a big milestone for us. We’re going to keep them coming your way. So Jason, thanks again for being with us today.
Jason: Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.
Mike: Everybody have a great day. Bye-bye.
Jason: See you.
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